Originally Posted by Optimvs
OK, that's a different song. I accept the apology.
Now, back to arguments, let's take it one at the time.
About Hari taking Overeem for dimes at Dynamite! 2008: do you agree that at the time
Overeem's K-1 palmares was really a joke? ...
Now, at the time Hari was a K-1 finalist and
I bet he still considered
that Bonjasky robbed him in that final.
Why do you thing Hari didn't took him for dimes at the moment? Because Overeem looks like a muscleman?
I don't have to agree with the fact that Allistair's K1 accomplishments prior to beating Hari were relatively insignificant and unimpressive. That is a fact.
Yet this doesn't entail that Hari would be more disposed to undertrain or underestimate Overeem. Many fighters take all their competition as seriously training-wise, and face it with the same rigor. You ask me to state why would Hari take Overeem seriously, if the latter was not known for his K1 prowess. That is a wrongly formulated question, since it does not follow that Allistair's relatively mediocre showings will entail lack of motivation for his opponents. Maybe Hari wanted to make a point against a popular opponent in a big show. Maybe Hari wanted to bounce back from the tournament loss with a bang. Maybe he disliked Overeem and wanted to shut his mouth. Maybe he just maintains a consistent work ethic throughout his fights, and came in well prepared.
Nothing rules out these possibilities.
It does not suffice to say that he underestimated Overeem, since following that logic he could have / would be losing against comparably lesser opponents consistently, which just isn't happening. So you must be implying it is something of an anomaly in Hari's record against lesser competition, which is an entirely speculative move, and one which requires more faith than to believe it was actually the product of their relative skills playing out in the ring as they did.
I'm afraid your entire consideration about Bonjasky is also a product of wild imagination, and unfortunately corners you into inconsistency. It's not at all obvious that Hari would have been affected by his thoughts/feelings about the outcome of the K1 finals. For all we know, he could have been more motivated to make a return statement, he could have been totally indifferent, or could have had it in mind without it affecting him. We simply don't know this.
The spectrum of possibilities here is too broad and nothing takes you beyond gross speculation.
And that is where you fall into inconsistency. You attack the Overeem hype-wagon because you claim it is not warranted on the basis of proven accomplishment. That is to say, you indict the wagon riders for being speculative about how good Overeem is and what he would be capable of doing, without grounds to justify it. Yet you discredit Allistair's win against Hari on the basis of a grossly speculative hypothesis which exceeds solid grounds, and without which you have to admit evidence as a strong indicator of Allistair's relative skill in the division.
You deliberately choose to ignore the fact that your hypothesis about the relative 'insignificance' of Overeem's victory is grounded on unsupported speculation.