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Old 11-26-2009, 04:05 PM   #21
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Having 20 different orgs didn´t help either.

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Old 11-26-2009, 05:36 PM   #22
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Having 20 different orgs didn´t help either.
I was going to mention this also, it seemed like they tried to make it a boxing style business model before the sport was popular enough. k-1 has succeeded by being the 'ufc' organization model, and that they invite the best kickboxers to compete for them, and since they're the biggest deal going they get the best fighters.

it's why the same guys dominate also, if boxing had a similar structure its apparent who'd be in the weight class finals every year.

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Old 11-27-2009, 04:09 PM   #23
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Just to compare the activity of the 2 eras, here is a random sampling of results from May 1983. There's no fewer than 9 different events listed here and all were either PKA or WKA sanctioned. I think we barely have that many kickboxing events in 1 year these days. Some of these events were out of the country, but all were sanctioned by US based organizations. Just goes to show you how active these people were back then, and it was like this every month, a lot of times with many more events than shown here.


MAY 1983

5-11 Montreal, Quebec Canada PKA (Real Masse Promoter)
Jean Yves Theriault def Don Setzer KO1 (Non title bout)
Rodney Batiste def George Perkins KO2
Reynald Lemarre def Ralph Rosado KO
Quebec def New York Team Competition 5-0

5-1 Edmonton, Alberta Canada WKA
Peter Cunningham def Tony Lopez UD9 Wins WKA North American Super Lightweight title

5-13 Rockford, Illinois PKA (ESPN TV)
Brad Hefton def Tom Hall UD12 Wins vacant PKA World Heavyweight title*
Wayne Mahan def John Silwinski UD
Brian Hadley def Joe Wuchteri
Dennis Brownfield def Kevin Hadley TKO
Don Thomas def Mike Butt TKO
Ricky Haynes def Inasio Anzures UD7
Cedric Rogers def Neil Singleton UD7
*Title vacated by Anthony Elmore in April 1983 to fight in Super Heavyweight division

5-13 Sydney, Australia WKA
Paul Fyfield def Marc Costello TKO6
Aired on Australian TV

5-14 Columbus, Ohio PKA (Jay T Will Promoter)
Jay T Will Superfights (ESPN TV)
Jeff Gripper def George Morrissey TKKO3
Robert Pagan def Jerry Clarke UD9 Wins PKA US Bantamweight title

5-21 Tokyo, Japan WKA (All Japan Kickboxing Promotion) (Ashai TV)
Don Wilson def Maurice Smith UD11 Wins vacant WKA World Cruiserweight title*
Yasuo Tabata def Larry Nichols SD11Wins vacant WKA World Super Middleweight title**
Victor Solier def Jiro Sasaki Dec11 Retains World Featherweight title
Hiroshi Takahashi def Randy Sanchez Dec
Alan Watson def Yutaka Koshikawa
Benny Urquidez vs Master Kazuyoshi Ishii Exhibition bout
*Bout was originally for Wilson’s light heavyweight title, but Smith did not make weight so -
both Wilson and Smith agreed to fight for vacant World Cruiserweight title
**Title vacated by retirement of former champion Ted Pryor

5-21 White Plains, New York WKA
Westchester County Center (Stephan & Michael Laitman Promoters)
Apache Cruz def Israel Rodriguez Dec4 Lightweights
Carlos Aguilar draw4 Danny Brown Welterweights
Dennis Murphy def Dave Bade KO1 Welterweights
Yoel Judah def Laquan Burrows KO2 Lightweights
John Taylor def Paul Beresha Dec4 Welterweights
Trent Norman def Randy Mack KO5 Middleweights
Leroy Hopkins def Sensei Mack KO4 Super Middleweights
Steve Valencia def James Lewis UD8 Wins WKA Northeast Light Heavyweight title


5-23 Sorel, Quebec Canada PKA (Real Masse Promoter)
PKA Quebec Championships Provincial Eliminations
Thomas Blackburn draw Joel Pellerin
Daniel Ahern def Tino Pigeon TKO
Michel LaFreniere def Alain Couture Dec
George Kokkinos def Stephane Duguay Dec
Herbie Wine def Rejean LeMyre Dec
Richard LaVoie def Nick Doulis
Michel LaVallee def Yvon Turgeon Dec
Johnny Canabate def Leonard Pinnock
Real Nadeau def Danny Gervais Dec
Marc Paquette def Alex Doucette
Jean Wilson def Jean Oulette TKO
Yvon Houle def Robert Vragovich TKO1


Chicago, Illinois PKA Chicago Fights (Mike McNamara & George Enguita Promoters)
Rob Salazar def Charleton Young UD9 Wins US Light Heavyweight title
Tom Matieson def Gary Jones UD6

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Old 11-27-2009, 04:27 PM   #24
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Having 20 different orgs didn´t help either.
Actually there were only about 2-3 of what I would consider "major league" sanctioning organizations during the heyday of American kickboxing. There were a few smaller ones here and there, but any name fighter only fought for one of these 3 orgs and the smaller ones were never a factor with any of the big name fighters.

PKA - Founded in 1974 and sanctioned fights until 1986 when it's major promoters had a big dispute over operations and control of the PKA. The 2 groups of promoters split up and each formed their own org. 1) ISKA - which was the most prolific org in recent years until the MMA craze took over, they are still active today. 2) PKC - which sanctioned fights until about the mid 1990's and are still around, but no longer sanction pro kickboxing.

WKA - Founded in 1976. Still active today, but mostly in Europe. Sill promotes a few smaller shows in the US.

KICK - Founded in 1982. Held events up until around the late 1990's or so. No longer around.

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Old 11-27-2009, 04:45 PM   #25
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I think in the early 70's kickboxing was known as "full-contact karate" because it got away from the point fighting stuff. Shortly after, the minimum 8 kick per round rule came about because people would get around the kicks and only box.

In 1974 or 1975 I think there was an ABC's Wide World Of Sports special with Joe Lewis and Bill Wallace winning Heavyweight and Middleweight titles. Benny Urquidez was a lightweight champion in the 70's. There is an interview on youtube where he talks about going to Japan to fight some guy whose name was "Muay Thai" lol.

Muarice Smith was a Heavyweight champion in the 80's, Jean-Yves Theriault (The Iceman - from Canada with a cold demeanor) was a Middleweight champion. Also besides Don Wilson check out Rob Kaman, Rick Roufus, Dennis Alexio, Ernesto Hoost, etc...

The big downfall of Western Kickboxing? MMA! Back then Boxers weren't the only people pissed.
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:17 AM   #26
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i figured i share a little history of general publics view of kickboxing in the early 90's.
in my personal opinion the peak of american kickboxing came and died with dennis alexio and the rise of van dam.dennis alexio was the biggest known kickboxer in his time he was in van dam movies don king even offered dennis a million dollars to fight mike tyson which he turned down.after stan the man longinidis destroyed dennis american kickboxing died,THE GENERAL AMERICAN PUBLIC thought the only reason dennis was champion was because jean cluade van dam retired with the belt.people even thought tong po was a real person because the pr people of kickboxer promoted they had two kickboxing champions in the movie dennis alexio and tong po.
dennis alexios people would put out rumours that the real reason he broke his leg was their was a hole in the ring and he tripped.dennis screwed stan by never letting a rematch happen so stan could beat dennis again.the american public at the time actually believed jean claude van dam would destroy stan the man longinidis in a fight.stan never went over well with american audiences since his style was brutal and not movie flashy plus stan looked like a reguler guy and was small for a heavyweight.basically because of van dams and dennis alexios pr people stan the man longinidis never got the respect he should of gotten during his prime.


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Old 11-29-2009, 11:28 AM   #27
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also before i get any hate responses i like van dam movies.the best way to describe the public back then is they believed professional wrestling was real and they didnt believe guys like hulk hogan did steroids even when he got dragged into court for steroids.a kickboxing fan talking to someone about stan longinidis would get someone telling them van dam would kick his @$$.the closest way to describe this attitude of the public is if you told someone how great fedor was and they would tell you kimbo slice would kick his @$$.


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Old 11-29-2009, 10:19 PM   #28
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Actually there were only about 2-3 of what I would consider "major league" sanctioning organizations during the heyday of American kickboxing. There were a few smaller ones here and there, but any name fighter only fought for one of these 3 orgs and the smaller ones were never a factor with any of the big name fighters.

PKA - Founded in 1974 and sanctioned fights until 1986 when it's major promoters had a big dispute over operations and control of the PKA. The 2 groups of promoters split up and each formed their own org. 1) ISKA - which was the most prolific org in recent years until the MMA craze took over, they are still active today. 2) PKC - which sanctioned fights until about the mid 1990's and are still around, but no longer sanction pro kickboxing.

WKA - Founded in 1976. Still active today, but mostly in Europe. Sill promotes a few smaller shows in the US.

KICK - Founded in 1982. Held events up until around the late 1990's or so. No longer around.
You're wrong, KICK is still around.

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Old 11-30-2009, 01:34 AM   #29
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You're wrong, KICK is still around.
Are they ? Where ? What events have they put on lately ?

They were pretty prolific back in the 80's and even into the 90's, but I haven't heard anything about them in years.

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Are they ? Where ? What events have they put on lately ?

They were pretty prolific back in the 80's and even into the 90's, but I haven't heard anything about them in years.
Um they put on a ton of events. If you know about Kickboxing, then you'd know that. They also sanction MMA as well these days.

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