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Old 02-05-2013, 08:06 AM   #1
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Pettis-Aldo: One More Reason for Fighter Union

The UFC can announce a Jones v Sonnen title fight and now an Aldo v Pettis fight without much pushback because there is no organization representing the fighters. LHW contenders like Hendo voiced their opposition to Sonnen getting an undeserved shot and now Lamas and KZ are objecting to Pettis being able to pick and choose where to fight. But Hendo, Lamas and KZ, as well as other fighters, have no real voice in the UFC as individuals. Indeed, they are mostly ignored. That would also be the case in the NFL, for example, if the players did not have the NFL Players Association (NFLPA), which acts on their behalf. The NFLPA can file grievances and go to court on behalf of the players when the NFL takes actions that the players believe are unfair or detrimental. The burden is therefore not on individual players.

UFC fighters - if not all mma fighters - need their own fighters association. They need an association to address training injuries, compensation and, if necessary, to oppose unfair fight arrangements. Lamas and KZ and even Poirier and Swanson have a legitimate objection to LW's being able to drop down and get an immediate title shot. In a very real way, Pettis is taking money out of Lamas' pocket because, without a doubt, Lamas is the #1 contender. I know he won't, but Lamas should sue to block the Aldo-Pettis fight. Bring it into federal court so that the UFC is forced to explain its shenanigans. And let me pre-empt those who say the UFC can do what it wants. It can't, just as the NFL can't just suspend or fine players.

Edit: A title fight is akin to a promotion and an employee who is passed over for a promotion, where the employer acted arbitrarily and unfairly, can sue. Obviously, the facts are more complicated here, but there is enough overlap to make me think Lamas can go to court.

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Old 02-05-2013, 08:08 AM   #2
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Don't put together Aldo Pettis, with Sonnen Jones because they are COMPLETELY different.

Ever heard of P4P philosophy? Wins in a weight class above should count MORE not less.
Not only that, but I believe that the overall skill level at LW is higher than the overall skill level at FW.

Ignoring that Pettis is a legit top 3 LW fighter even being undersized is silly.

Pettis deserves the title shot on merits more than Lamas.

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Old 02-05-2013, 08:11 AM   #3
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Anthony Pettis vs. Jose Aldo is an amazing fight. Deal with it.

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Old 02-05-2013, 08:12 AM   #4
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:15 AM   #5
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LOL. It is not about me crying or being upset. I'd like to see the fight. I am thinking of the fighters who are being passed over - unfairly.

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Old 02-05-2013, 08:15 AM   #6
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Pettis vs Aldo is one of those rare times that I don't dislike this.

Jones vs Vitor
Jones vs Sonnen
Those are lame

Edgar vs Aldo was iffy

Pettis vs Aldo is solid, great style match, Pettis has been winning. Good wins.

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Old 02-05-2013, 08:17 AM   #7
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A fighter's union is a good idea, but there are some problems. If you are spreading the money around more evenly, then you need big named fighters to agree to a pay cut when the union is formed. You can try to convince them that the total share of the pie will be larger, but you can't guarantee that until after negotiations.


And sue to block the fight? On what grounds? That's a silly idea.

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Old 02-05-2013, 08:21 AM   #8
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And what's a fighters union going to do? Are they going to get fighters in other divisions to strike because Pettis is getting a title shot at FW? Good luck convincing guys like Silva, Jones, GSP or anyone who's not personally invested to give a shit enough to strike.

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You have a good point about contenders like Lamas losing money. But with regard to title shots I think the fights people want to see will get made regardless of whether its deserved or not.

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LOL. It is not about me crying or being upset. I'd like to see the fight. I am thinking of the fighters who are being passed over - unfairly.
The UFC is not now, nor has it EVER been a meritocracy. I'm a Hendo fan, and while it sucks that he missed out on his chance (due to an injury - not being passed over) welcome to the real world.

A union won't change this. The union can't do anything about the matchups - it would involve things like fighter safety, pay and benefits. Things which, for the most part, the UFC has made remarkable strides in over the last few years. But if you think a union is going to mean no more Jones v. Sonnen mismatches - then you're dead wrong. The CAW doesn't decide which cars to produce. Or have any input on new designs.

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