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Old 12-28-2011, 02:23 PM   #1
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Would BCAA/Fish Oil break intemittent fasting?

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Wondering if anyone knows if taking some bcaa's and/or fish oil during the fasting part of an intermittent fast would "break" it and thus not really make it a fast any longer?

As a side-bar, is there some caloric or other threshold below which the body is in a fasted state? Apart from the obvious.

Fairly certain bcaa's/fishoil/multi are fine, but doesn't hurt to be sure.

Thanks in advance for your help!

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Old 12-28-2011, 02:33 PM   #2
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Martin Berkham recommends BCAAs before training and in cases where you don't eat for a couple hours post training he alsos recommends taking BCAA every couple hours. Multi would be fine, not sure about Fish oil though. I'm not a I.F know it all though so wait for others input.

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Old 12-28-2011, 02:44 PM   #3
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I've heard the same BCAA suggestion which is why I started taking them when I started the IF thing.

Fish oil is the big question mark it seems.

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Old 12-28-2011, 07:19 PM   #4
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It's pure fat, so it's hardly calorie-free. My guess would be you're supposed to treat it the same as you do all other foods.

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Old 12-28-2011, 08:05 PM   #5
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Pretty sure fishoil is absorbed better when taken with a fat-containing meal. So what I would do:

During fast: BCAAs + water soluble vitamins + supplements to be taken on an empty stomach
During feeding: Fishoil + fat soluble vitamins + minerals

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Old 12-28-2011, 08:56 PM   #6
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Just look at the nutritional facts on a fish oil bottle. It's saturated fat + calories. Would be similar as eating some gristle from a steak. In my experience MINISCULE amounts of food will not interfere with your IF, but I would not risk it. The only thing I consume while fasting is water.

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Old 12-28-2011, 10:18 PM   #7
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Thanks for the input guys.

Calorically speaking, my dose of BCAA is 40 calories 10 of which are from protein, and each fish oil dose is approximately 40 as well, albeit all of it from fat.

That's why I asked if there was some threshold, or rule of thumb, because if BCAA's are agreed upon as ok in terms of not breaking the IF, given that it is the same amount of calories, what is it about the fish oil that would? Just the fact that it's fat vs protein?

Arpie, you brought up something I wasn't even thinking about re: solubility. Now I'll be able to switch up when and with what I take my supplements.

During fast: regular multi, bcaa's, (creatine + beta alanine + ALA) - mornings on exercise days

During feeding: vitamin d3, magnesium, fish oil

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Old 12-29-2011, 01:46 AM   #8
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Your body is not meant to fast; there is a difference between the body benefiting from stress and from coping with stress. I know fasting is popular with numerous longtime posters in here, but I will again strongly voice my opposition to its recommendation, and that the majority of the science investigating the matter I've reviewed clearly indicates that it's not healthy. In fact, they've found an increase in the probability of unfavorable genetic-line mutations amongst individuals descended from populations that experienced extended periods of fasting (aka starvation). That means that people who have experienced starvation are more likely to have children with inferior physiology (ex. more prone to cancer).

I know what the pro-fasters will say. "Fasting isn't starvation." Well, yeah, it is. It's just starvation in a shorter time frame.

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Your body is not meant to fast; there is a difference between the body benefiting from stress and from coping with stress. I know fasting is popular with numerous longtime posters in here, but I will again strongly voice my opposition to its recommendation, and that the majority of the science investigating the matter I've reviewed clearly indicates that it's not healthy. In fact, they've found an increase in the probability of unfavorable genetic-line mutations amongst individuals descended from populations that experienced extended periods of fasting (aka starvation). That means that people who have experienced starvation are more likely to have children with inferior physiology (ex. more prone to cancer).

I know what the pro-fasters will say. "Fasting isn't starvation." Well, yeah, it is. It's just starvation in a shorter time frame.
I'm interested in trying to min/max when I do most things. I've been using IF as a caloric restriction protocol and have mostly come across positive things in regard to it.

If you could point me to the info on the counter argument I will gladly take a look.

At what point would a generally accepted 8-12 hour "fast" between dinner and breakfast turn into harmful starvation?

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I'm interested in trying to min/max when I do most things. I've been using IF as a caloric restriction protocol and have mostly come across positive things in regard to it.

If you could point me to the info on the counter argument I will gladly take a look.

At what point would a generally accepted 8-12 hour "fast" between dinner and breakfast turn into harmful starvation?
Nvm, I don't even consider that a "fast".

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