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Old 04-01-2012, 03:39 AM   #31
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From what I understand the choke they used was basically the RNC with just the gable grip, which honestly I feel puts more pressure on the neck when undefended than the fun on RNC.
If you're talking about pressure on the windpipe, they state that the elbow goes under the chin, so it should be the same clean 'V'-choke as a traditional RNC. Finishing the Gable grip variation with the elbow under the chin is definitely not as powerful, though.

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Old 04-01-2012, 08:07 AM   #32
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The vast majority of people killed by the RNC or LVNR was a result of having their windpipes crushed by poorly trained applicants.

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Old 04-01-2012, 06:49 PM   #33
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The "significant conclusions" portion of that article is amusing, that information was known long before this study. Any second year medical student would be able to describe the effects of an RNC. I've posted those same facts in these "how does an RNC work" threads for a couple years now.

40% of the blood supply goes through either internal carotid, with the remaining 20% via the vertebral arteries. Cerebral hypoxia results from mechanical compression of the internal carotids, which leads to loss of consciousness. The "sensitive receptor located in the neck" or carotid baroreceptor is not a significant contributor to LOC in most individuals. However, there is still a very small subset of people out there who have very sensitive/reactive baroreceptors which can cause rapid LOC (via drop in BP) with relatively little pressure.

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This is great now I can stubbornly refuse to tap to chokes and not worry about brain damage.
That's not true. You can have a carotid dissection that can lead to permanent neurologic deficits - actually have a friend who had this happen to him during practice, although he was extremely fortunate and got treatment fast and had no permanent effects.


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Old 04-01-2012, 08:32 PM   #34
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Desipte the hysterical media hype protraying tazers and bations as devestating weapons the truth their effectiveness is pretty low percentage. Two barbs from the taser cartrige both have to come close to making contact with the skin in order to compete the circuit. When you hear the sound commonly associated with a tazer and seeing some having to get tazed several times; what you're hearing is the sound made when the contact sucks and the current is being lost into air. This happens very frequently when the tazed are rmoving and wearing this clothes. Batons are welll. batons and cops can't use them right way, so the LVNS is making a comeback in LE.


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Old 04-01-2012, 09:44 PM   #35
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Helio Gracie said it a long time ago chokes are the most elegant way to beat your opponent.

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Old 04-01-2012, 10:16 PM   #36
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"Four others were released by Warin when they had not lost consciousness after about 23 seconds of application."

Fail, get Marcelo Garcia in there and those four would have been in comatose.

Besides, the limited test is just what we already know. What about a 5 minute to 10 minute choke? That'd be something to research

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