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Old 03-04-2008, 02:54 PM   #1
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*Josh Barnett* on Judo vs Catch Wrestling

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Pretty interesting take on Judo vs Catch Wrestling. I like that Josh Barnett is trying to revive the "Style" vs "Style" aspect of MMA.

Good interview.

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Old 03-04-2008, 03:01 PM   #2
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I don't like it. At best it is just a marketing gimmick to get people interested in the fight. At worse, it represents an inferiority complex about his own training methods.

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I don't like it. At best it is just a marketing gimmick to get people interested in the fight. At worse, it represents an inferiority complex about his own training methods.
+1

besides, what does beating yoshida prove? josh is in his prime, and yoshida is pushing 40 and giving up 30lbs! Big nog beat him, so i guess that means bjj is > catch, cro cop beat him three times, so that means kickboxing is > catch?

if you still think one style rules all, you are 10 years behind!

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Catch isnt even a real grappling sport...... sure theres special catch wrestling rules but its a joke.

the best grappling system is brazilian jiu jitsu because it is way more popular, therefore it has much better competitors. it also has the most flexible rules: just grapple until someone submits , ultimately, even with time limits

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I don't like it. At best it is just a marketing gimmick to get people interested in the fight. At worse, it represents an inferiority complex about his own training methods.
Oh for sure it's a marketing gimmick, still interesting way to go about it. There's obviously no bad blood between him and Yosh, and I don't he has any real disdain for Judo. I like the concept though, kinda like rooting for a home team.

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At worse, it represents an inferiority complex about his own training methods.
Yeah, and he's just calling his grappling training something else. He says he's never trained a day of BJJ but he sure as hell trains like a jiu jitsu guy. Instead he sticks to his "catch -only style" and is just an alright takedown guy and an alright submission guy.

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Catch isnt even a real grappling sport...... sure theres special catch wrestling rules but its a joke.

the best grappling system is brazilian jiu jitsu because it is way more popular, therefore it has much better competitors. it also has the most flexible rules: just grapple until someone submits , ultimately, even with time limits
The best grappling system is the one that works for you. Whether that is catch, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, international wrestling, judo, or whatever.

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I don't like it. At best it is just a marketing gimmick to get people interested in the fight. At worse, it represents an inferiority complex about his own training methods.
I suspect it's a marketing gimmick - Barnett has to be pretty aware that at the top levels of MMA there's no style vs style anyway. Pure wrestlers, pure judoka, pure BJJ'ers, pure boxers, pure you-name-its lose badly.

Possibly he's doing it to market the fight with Yoshida, who was a world class athlete and one tough SOB, but is pretty old to be fighting MMA in any case, and probably 40 pounds overweight. Without some extra hook there's no reason for anyone to be interested in this mismatch, so I suspect they'll look for whatever angles they can find.

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Catch isnt even a real grappling sport...... sure theres special catch wrestling rules but its a joke.

the best grappling system is brazilian jiu jitsu because it is way more popular, therefore it has much better competitors. it also has the most flexible rules: just grapple until someone submits , ultimately, even with time limits
You're full of shit.

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that is one thing that bothers me is that bjj does not recognize catch as a legitimate grappling form.

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