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01-15-2012, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by brollikk
yes, in those combat wrestling videos, those guys seem like they definitely want to pass guard and submit from the top (which is identical to bjj). From the bottom, it seems like their objective is the same as BJJ as well (submit/sweep/take the back) but they just suck at it.
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Ever heard of leg locks? CW guys are obsessed with them, it is quite different to BJJ. Watch Rumina and Imanari fight before you criticize. They are 100x more exciting then most BJJ matches.
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01-15-2012, 09:20 AM
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It's also important to remember, for combat wrestling, that there are no rules forcing the top guy to engage a guard player, and that it is no-gi. Backing out and letting the other guy standup is more common than trying to pass if he starts to look threatening off of his back. On top of that, the bottom guy is normally looking to stand up as much or more as sweep/submit/back-take, with some exceptions like Imanari.
And yeah, Rumina Sato is a better example of combat wrestling.
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01-15-2012, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by brollikk
I just watched Shinya Aoki vs Satoryu Kitaoka. This dude is considered a "catch God"? He defended submissions pretty well, but looked kind of bad...
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Kitaoka is a BJJ guy.
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01-15-2012, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kuzu Ken
Kitaoka is a BJJ guy.
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If that is true, then this is getting hilarious.
Why the heck are people calling him the CATCH Koala or CATCH god, if he is not even a catch wrestler?
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01-15-2012, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Supereem
Ever heard of leg locks? CW guys are obsessed with them, it is quite different to BJJ. Watch Rumina and Imanari fight before you criticize. They are 100x more exciting then most BJJ matches.
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I've watched many matches involving rumina sato and imanari. (Both mma and grappling).
They are skilled absolutely. Imanari even has a bjj brown or black belt if I am not mistaken.
However, the guys that they are grappling against in these combat wrestling tournaments seem to just SUCK off their backs. They are in losing positions (side mount/turtle/back mount) for NO good reason, other than their guards getting passed like nothing.
And again, I think rumina sato and imanari are decent grapplers, but anybody can look amazing grappling against people who lack guard work on the ground.
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01-15-2012, 05:37 PM
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If there are no points for passing the guard, then the guard isn't going to be worked on to prevent the pass. Competition rules dictate the evolution of styles.
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01-15-2012, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by brollikk
I just watched Shinya Aoki vs Satoryu Kitaoka. This dude is considered a "catch God"? He defended submissions pretty well, but looked kind of bad...
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Shinya Aoki is one of the best if not THE BEST MMA grappler on the entire planet.
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Originally Posted by Supereem
Ever heard of leg locks? CW guys are obsessed with them, it is quite different to BJJ. Watch Rumina and Imanari fight before you criticize. They are 100x more exciting then most BJJ matches.
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Leg lock with the face. Excellent.
PS fuck Imanari
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Originally Posted by Kuzu Ken
Kitaoka is a BJJ guy.
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Lolz trolololololololol
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Originally Posted by brollikk
If that is true, then this is getting hilarious.
Why the heck are people calling him the CATCH Koala or CATCH god, if he is not even a catch wrestler?
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He trained/trains under Minoru Suzuki. He's a catch guy. He cross trains though too.
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Originally Posted by brollikk
I've watched many matches involving rumina sato and imanari. (Both mma and grappling).
They are skilled absolutely. Imanari even has a bjj brown or black belt if I am not mistaken.
However, the guys that they are grappling against in these combat wrestling tournaments seem to just SUCK off their backs. They are in losing positions (side mount/turtle/back mount) for NO good reason, other than their guards getting passed like nothing.
And again, I think rumina sato and imanari are decent grapplers, but anybody can look amazing grappling against people who lack guard work on the ground.
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The rules dictate a majority of the style of grappling. Most of the top Combat Wrestlers are nothing less than stellar. However, if you put them against a bunch of "jiu jitsu" players their not going to be seen as successful because they simply have to go through 5x as many guys as themselves with that style.
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01-15-2012, 07:11 PM
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CACC/Submission Grappling student of Frank Shamrock used his grappling to subdue one of two gang members who had just robbed a bank and was attempting to carjack another car in the get away.
Frank's student took him down and applied an armlock till the guy gave in and said he would stop resisting.
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01-15-2012, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WARRENMANIA
Shinya Aoki is one of the best if not THE BEST MMA grappler on the entire planet.
Leg lock with the face. Excellent.
PS fuck Imanari
Lolz trolololololololol
He trained/trains under Minoru Suzuki. He's a catch guy. He cross trains though too.
The rules dictate a majority of the style of grappling. Most of the top Combat Wrestlers are nothing less than stellar. However, if you put them against a bunch of "jiu jitsu" players their not going to be seen as successful because they simply have to go through 5x as many guys as themselves with that style. |
Haha what is with the Imanari hatred?
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01-15-2012, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by WARRENMANIA
Lolz trolololololololol
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Yeh man training under Nakai in Paraestra, got dat Blackbelt.
aoki kitaoka and naoya wearing gis.jpg
Why you mad tho?
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